Curse

Narcissus · Jan 22, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Famtouse

While I see your point, just because you are holding something doesn't mean you can't still cast, that along with the skills that return energy will always provide you with ample energy. Not only that, but this skill is recharged before it is over, so if anything they would change that.

And you are still missing the point that you are giving Up those 20% fastcast/Fastrecharge stats on your weapon AND offhand, ALL of your weapon mods, AND the ability to attack for a +15 armor buff and a +8 energy *err* scratch that. +3 energy because it took you 5 energy to cast it in the first place.

Famtouse · Jan 22, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

You loose 5 energy that will be recharged very quickly, and for someone who only plays a casting role, such as a healing monk the skill is still better than you would expect, +8 energy comes in handy in a pinch, and most skills are workable without fast cast or quick recharge, so still I wouldn't be surprised if I saw them add a longer recharge time or a shorter duration.

firestar314 · Jan 22, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

I love the skills and all that, but aren't the "hold ________ ashes's up for..." pissing you off? I mean...After reading that list, I was thinking, jeeze, are they obsessed with ashes?

>>
Cruel Was Daoshen
Grasping Was Kuurong
Anguished Was Lingwah
Defiante Was Xinrae
Mighty Was Vorizun
Blind Was Mingson
Generous Was Tsungrai
Lively Was Naomei
Protective Was Kaolai
Resilient Was Xiko
Tranquil Was Tanasen
Vengeful Was Khanhei
Attuned Was Songkai
>>

Seriously.

TGgold · Jan 22, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Famtouse

You loose 5 energy that will be recharged very quickly, and for someone who only plays a casting role, such as a healing monk the skill is still better than you would expect, +8 energy comes in handy in a pinch, and most skills are workable without fast cast or quick recharge, so still I wouldn't be surprised if I saw them add a longer recharge time or a shorter duration.

The thing with this skill is that the addition to you max energy doesn't effect your current energy. So the only way the energy bonus (all 8) will help is if you can get above your normal max energy while the skill is in effect. It's like reverse exhaustion, it won't effect you unless you hit it.

Guardian of the Light · Jan 22, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Quick Note:

The Skill: Boon of Creatation works on minions as well as spirts.

The primary attruibute also increases the health of minions as well as spirts. (not 100% sure on pets but pretty sure).

Now combine the 2 get spirts and you got a nice build

.

Lady Lozza · Jan 22, 2006, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Tested this - They are NOT spells. The "Dazed" condition has no effect on their casting.

Lady Lozza - Are you sure Powerspike was the one interupting you? If so report the bug to Anet.

Yeah, strange thing is that when it happened today I noticed I took 0 dmg from PS and 0 energy loss from PD. But it DID interrupt my spirit summoning.

Kai Nui · Jan 22, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Signet of Creation = Minion Factory's Nerf

rii · Jan 22, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

The damage listed for Cruel was Daoshen is massive. I havent had a computer that can actually play Gw so im running on these descriptions.

Firstly, you can hold the ashes for longer than the recharge, and the description of 'up to' implies you can drop them whenever you want. So, you get 5 Rt, all pick up Daoshens ashes before the battle, then rambo in, drop them, recast, drop them again, and youve nuked the aoe in the space of 2/3 seconds for around a 1250 damage? Get an As/N with spirit walk, rend, strip, and expunge to rape any shelters and prot spirits, and then finsish anyone whos left with channelled strike and ancestor's rage? Meanwhile, get some points in Communing, and all take vital weapon, making you all dam hard to spike out by sheer amount of health. And thats not using any elites.
Thats not right is it?

Align · Jan 22, 2006, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Weapon of Warding is niiiiiice. In a team where people are intelligent enough to focus fire, you're unlikely to lose with a restoration ritualist on your team... possibly if the ritualist uses nothing but the preset, but just change two skills or so and you get one damn good build.

The undead Mesmer · Jan 22, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

Signet of Creation = Minion Factory's Nerf

I only works on your own minions and spirits if i am correct (correct me if i am wrong)

so the MM isnt nerfed.

Agild Greenfinger · Jan 22, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by rii

The damage listed for Cruel was Daoshen is massive. I havent had a computer that can actually play Gw so im running on these descriptions.

Firstly, you can hold the ashes for longer than the recharge, and the description of 'up to' implies you can drop them whenever you want. So, you get 5 Rt, all pick up Daoshens ashes before the battle, then rambo in, drop them, recast, drop them again, and youve nuked the aoe in the space of 2/3 seconds for around a 1250 damage? Get an As/N with spirit walk, rend, strip, and expunge to rape any shelters and prot spirits, and then finsish anyone whos left with channelled strike and ancestor's rage? Meanwhile, get some points in Communing, and all take vital weapon, making you all dam hard to spike out by sheer amount of health. And thats not using any elites.
Thats not right is it?

I was thinking the same thing...I haven't tried any off the ashes spells so I'm not entirely sure how they work...but if they work like holding any other heavy object you get a speed reduction making it hard to rambo in...but still...and disenchants as far as I know wouldn't work, since they don't count as enchantments...

also does knockdowns normally make people drop items or was that just for the wintersday pvp arena, if knockdown does make people drop items this would work as a counter aswell....just makes sure you use a ranged knockdown :P

Agild Greenfinger · Jan 22, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by The undead Mesmer

I only works on your own minions and spirits if i am correct (correct me if i am wrong)

so the MM isnt nerfed.

it says all spirits/minions so it will work on enemy aswell...

The undead Mesmer · Jan 22, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Hmmm ok thanks for correcting me :3

Banebow · Jan 22, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by rii

The damage listed for Cruel was Daoshen is massive. I havent had a computer that can actually play Gw so im running on these descriptions.

Firstly, you can hold the ashes for longer than the recharge, and the description of 'up to' implies you can drop them whenever you want. So, you get 5 Rt, all pick up Daoshens ashes before the battle, then rambo in, drop them, recast, drop them again, and youve nuked the aoe in the space of 2/3 seconds for around a 1250 damage? Get an As/N with spirit walk, rend, strip, and expunge to rape any shelters and prot spirits, and then finsish anyone whos left with channelled strike and ancestor's rage? Meanwhile, get some points in Communing, and all take vital weapon, making you all dam hard to spike out by sheer amount of health. And thats not using any elites.
Thats not right is it?

I was considering the same thing last night, however, it does say all nearby foes. So, it has range a bit smaller than ward size. Unless the enemy team balls up a lot (or is playing iway

) you should only kill two or three of them. Now, two or three people dead in 3 seconds is great, but the skill has a 45 second recharge. You can try to spike kill other members, but you are all soft targets and will take a lot of damage. Unless your spike killed all the other monks, they will probably be able to out heal any damage you toss out after the ashes drop, and the other team will have plenty of time to res up the people you killed before you can even cast CwD again. You would also have to time it very well to get two of them, as you will only have a 6 second window in which you are holding them and the skill is recharged (going by the description here). I don't think I know enough people with the skill unlocked to go and try this however, so I could be wrong about the amount of people you will kill.

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Originally Posted by Agild Greenfinger

also does knockdowns normally make people drop items or was that just for the wintersday pvp arena, if knockdown does make people drop items this would work as a counter aswell....just makes sure you use a ranged knockdown :P

You do not drop relics when you are knocked down, and while I have not tested it with ashes I assume it works the same way.

Agild Greenfinger · Jan 22, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

the recharge time doesn't matter since you can hold the ashes for up to 51 seconds...by the time you drop it you can put another one up.

Feng Leung · Jan 22, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

with cruel was daoshen and saccer necros=uber eoe bomb

Bale_Shadowscar · Jan 22, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

I've unlocked Cruel was Daoshen and its pretty good, especially against enemy Rits who tend to clump all their spirits together.

Agild Greenfinger · Jan 22, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

anyone know if it's possible to shadow step while holding ashes or will you drop them then?

Banebow · Jan 22, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Agild Greenfinger

the recharge time doesn't matter since you can hold the ashes for up to 51 seconds...by the time you drop it you can put another one up.

As I tried to point out, if the spike does not kill everyone (the spike you mentiond, cast, wait, drop, then cast and drop again) you won't be spiking again for some time. And while 51 seconds is certainly more than the recharge time, you should look more closely at that recharge time. A 6 second window is small, even smaller when your entire build depends on using that window. One mistake, a few snares, and you are not killing anyone.

I assume you drop them, like you drop flags and relics, when you shadow step.

Agild Greenfinger · Jan 23, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

what the hell 6 seconds window are you talking about???

there will pass 2 seconds(the cast time) before you can drop it again...